Nov 192015
 

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>> GOOD MORNING, CAROL.

>> GOOD MORNING.

PETER YOU WROTE THE BOOK ON BIN LADEN.

DID THE PRESIDENT LIE? >> I MEAN, THE SHORT ANSWER IS THERE'S NO EVIDENCE FOR THAT AT ALL.

YOU KNOW, SY HERSH HAS HAD A DISTINGUISHED CAREER AS AN INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST BUT I THINK HE MISFIRED WITH THIS ONE.

A NUMBER OF CLAIMS HE MAKES IN THIS PIECE JUST DEFY COMMON SENSE AND THE EVIDENCE THAT WE KNOW.

FOR INSTANCE HE SAYS BECAUSE THE U.

S.

AND PAKISTAN, THESE WERE COLLABORATING ON THE HUNT FOR BIN LADEN, AND THEY ALL KNEW THAT HE WAS IN THIS COMPOUND IN ABBOTTABAD IN NORTHERN PAKISTAN THAT THERE WAS NO FIREFIGHT.

THE S.

E.

A.

L.

S JUST WALKED IN AND SHOT BIN LADEN.

WELL I WAS IN THE COMPOUND AND I SAW EVIDENCE OF CONSIDERABLE NUMBER OF BULLETS THAT WERE EXCHANGED.

WE KNOW FROM TWO OF THE S.

E.

A.

L.

S ON THE RAID WHO PUBLICLY SAID THAT OTHER PEOPLE WERE KILLED THAT NIGHT.

OTHER SHOTS WERE FIRED.

WE KNOW FROM MULTIPLE U.

S.

OFFICIALS THAT FOUR OTHER ADULTS IN THE COMPOUND WERE KILLED.

AND THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF WHERE THE REPORTING JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

ANOTHER, CAROL, IS HE SAYS THAT SAUDI ARABIA WAS FINANCING BIN LADEN'S STAY IN ABBOTTABAD WHICH MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL.

AFTER ALL BIN LADEN'S PRINCIPLE GOAL THE OVERTHROW OF THE SAUDI REGIME.

THEY REVOKED HIS CITIZENSHIP, HE'S THEIR MORTAL ENEMY AND SOMEHOW THEY'D BE SUBSIDIZING HIS STAY, NONE OF THIS ADDS UP.

NOT TO SAY THERE MIGHT NOT BE SOMETHING IN THE ARTICLE THAT'S TRUE BUT WHAT I CAN TELL WHAT'S TRUE ISN'T NEW AND WHAT'S NEW ISN'T TRUE.

>> YOU DON'T SOUND LIKE YOU THINK MUCH OF THIS ARTICLE AT ALL, PETER? >> WELL, YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, I'M SOMEBODY WHO HAS ADMIRED SY HERSH, HE BROKE THE ABU GHRAIB STORY ALONG WITH "60 MINUTES.

" HE'S HAD A DISTINGUISHED CAREER.

THIS IS BASED REALLY ON ONE SOURCE AND LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE IN PAKISTAN AND THE U.

S.

GOVERNMENT WOULD HAVE TO BE LYING FOR YEARS AND YEARS ABOUT THIS ISSUE.

AND YOU KNOW, WE LIVE IN AN OPEN SOCIETY.

AND WHEN THERE IS A CONSPIRACY LIKE WATERGATE, PEOPLE START, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE START TALKING ABOUT IT.

NOT JUST ONE PERSON.

BUT NUMBER OF PEOPLE.

SO YOU KNOW, IT FAILS A LOT OF COMMONSENSE TESTS.

>> YOU ALSO DID YOUR HOMEWORK ON THIS ONE.

YOU, YOU ACTUALLY CONTACTED HERSH'S MAIN PAKISTANI SOURCE.

HE'S A RETIRED GENERAL.

HIS NAME IS ASSAD DURANI.

WHAT DID HE TELL YOU? >> WELL, ASSAD DURANI WAS HEAD OF THE PAKISTANI MILITARY INTELLIGENCE AGENCY IN THE EARLY '90s.

SO THAT'S TWO DECADES AGO.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE HE'S SUPER CURRENT ON THE BIN LADEN RAID.

BUT WHAT HE TOLD ME IS THAT THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE OF THE ASSERTION THAT THE PAKISTANIS KNEW THAT — THAT ISI KNEW THAT BIN LADEN WAS IN ABBOTTABAD.

BUT HE SAID PLAUSIBLY IT COULD BE SO.

BUT THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PLAUSIBILITY AND EVIDENCE.

AND SO SIMPLY HAVING SOMEBODY SAY HEY, IT'S PLAUSIBLE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING'S PLAUSIBLE.

BUT AS HISTORIANS AND JOURNALISTS WE TRY AND TRAFFIC.

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